I respect Senator Obama, but he should listen to himself:
"You are on your own to buy your own health care, to buy your own retirement security ... to buy your own roads and levees,"
Please God, tell me one thing wrong with that. Who should pay for your retirement besides you? Should I pay for your retirement? Where in the Constitution does it require the government to re-distribute everything so that every has a "fair" chance.
Newsflash: All men are not created equal. All men are born with the same rights, but that does not mean that the retirement security of a man who worked hard his entire life and invested wisely should be mandated by the government for all people, irregardless of how worthless they have been, and society should foot the bill for it.
Senator Obama is pushing for class warfare, which is incredibly un-American. Social Darwinism is a nasty name for freedom created by social progressives and communists.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you here Axe. I feel that every human should have access to healthcare. I believe that every American should have access to Social Security upon retirement. No American shold have to work there ass off their entire life and then become homeless when they get old. Obama is not the one starting the class war, it is the conservatives that are selling our country to the highest bidders.
ahh, the classical debate. You have little faith in capitalism, and I know that the governemnt is just barely better than worthless at everything except national defense.
Show me the clause in the Constitution where it says that every man deserves healthcare. That statement holds exactly as much merit as to say that every man deserves to drive a $130,000 German sportscar.
All men and woman deserve nothing more than the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of property (or happiness, depending on which version you read). What you do with those gifts (which didn't come from the government, our creator has endowed us with them, the government is merely to respect them) is entirely up to you. It's a little concept called "Freedom" that has been villified as "Social Darwinism". Ironic that liberals, the so-called purveyors of science and progress, are failing to accept this kind of "Darwinism".
If you work hard your entire life, and you have little more than a block of wood for brains, you'll start putting money away for retirement on your own. You shouldn't need the government to babysit you for God's sake. All I'm saying is to please God let us be adults with our own money and stop this socialist march towards complete government control of everything. Personal responsibility can replace almost 100% of the financial boondoggles that our government invests in generously every year.
BND, you know I love talking with you, but please please please have a little bit of faith in capitalism. Remember, who won the cold war? Socialism leads to fascism, which leads to intense poverty and war (RE: China, North Korea, the former USSR, Yugoslavia). Capitalism leads to freedom, education, higher living standards, employment, and charitable giving enabling the needy.
Once again, I fundamentally disagree with you. To me, health care is not a constitutional issue, but a human rights issue. The main reason why most people cannot afford health care is because of price gouging by the pharmacuetical companies and insurance companies. It really concerns me that we care less about our American brothers and sisters and more about money than any industrialized nation in the world.
During the course of my twenty years in the workforce, I have given thousands of dollars to Social Security. I am entitled to those funds upon my retirement. If the current administration has their way, I will loose that money and be twenty years behind in saving into Bush's new privatized retirement crap, which I feel is just one more way the current administration is selling our country to the highest bidder.
The gap between the rich and the poor continues to expand. This is not due solely to hard work, and until everyone in this country are given the same opportunities to succeed, us liberals will continue to raise hell over "social darwinism". It's this form of capitalism that leads to fascism
I'll agree with you that in many ways, the kind of capitalism that Bush wants heavily favors a selected few. He's really not the defender of the free market that we elected him to be, but he sure beat the alternative.
Nobody is ever denied treatment at a hospital in this country. If healthcare gets taken over by the government, we'll have a titanic monetary expenditure that will cause our taxes to go up again, and ruin our economy just it did in France. France's economy is in ruins, there is no evidence to say that it's getting better, either. Hey, they might not have jobs, but they have "free" medicine!
BND, You are much more intellegent that you're making yourself sound when you say that Bush wants to take your Social Security away. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you don't want to do anything with your money, and you prefer the government's pension plan, then that's what you'll get. You'll get exactly what everybody else gets. The Bush Social Security plan allows people to invest some of it if they choose, which will grow their money like no government pension ever will. Besides, that money is yours. If you die, you can give to your family. Try doing that with your social security checks. The Bush proposal gives YOU control of your money. You don't have to touch it, but if you want to you can. It's a step in the right direction, and it's the only way to make Social Security work for future generations. Ideally, we shouldn't be taxed for social security, because it's a backdoor tax that gets abused on almost every level of government.
But honestly, who told you that you'd lose your money if the Bush plan is put in place? That is the most emotionally driven lobbyist propoganda that I've heard in days. I really had enough faith in people to know better when Washington insiders tell them garbage like that.
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Re: Social Darwinism
I respect Senator Obama, but he should listen to himself:
"You are on your own to buy your own health care, to buy your own retirement security ... to buy your own roads and levees,"
Please God, tell me one thing wrong with that. Who should pay for your retirement besides you? Should I pay for your retirement? Where in the Constitution does it require the government to re-distribute everything so that every has a "fair" chance.
Newsflash: All men are not created equal. All men are born with the same rights, but that does not mean that the retirement security of a man who worked hard his entire life and invested wisely should be mandated by the government for all people, irregardless of how worthless they have been, and society should foot the bill for it.
Senator Obama is pushing for class warfare, which is incredibly un-American. Social Darwinism is a nasty name for freedom created by social progressives and communists.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you here Axe. I feel that every human should have access to healthcare. I believe that every American should have access to Social Security upon retirement. No American shold have to work there ass off their entire life and then become homeless when they get old. Obama is not the one starting the class war, it is the conservatives that are selling our country to the highest bidders.
ahh, the classical debate. You have little faith in capitalism, and I know that the governemnt is just barely better than worthless at everything except national defense.
Show me the clause in the Constitution where it says that every man deserves healthcare. That statement holds exactly as much merit as to say that every man deserves to drive a $130,000 German sportscar.
All men and woman deserve nothing more than the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of property (or happiness, depending on which version you read). What you do with those gifts (which didn't come from the government, our creator has endowed us with them, the government is merely to respect them) is entirely up to you. It's a little concept called "Freedom" that has been villified as "Social Darwinism". Ironic that liberals, the so-called purveyors of science and progress, are failing to accept this kind of "Darwinism".
If you work hard your entire life, and you have little more than a block of wood for brains, you'll start putting money away for retirement on your own. You shouldn't need the government to babysit you for God's sake. All I'm saying is to please God let us be adults with our own money and stop this socialist march towards complete government control of everything. Personal responsibility can replace almost 100% of the financial boondoggles that our government invests in generously every year.
BND, you know I love talking with you, but please please please have a little bit of faith in capitalism. Remember, who won the cold war? Socialism leads to fascism, which leads to intense poverty and war (RE: China, North Korea, the former USSR, Yugoslavia). Capitalism leads to freedom, education, higher living standards, employment, and charitable giving enabling the needy.
Once again, I fundamentally disagree with you. To me, health care is not a constitutional issue, but a human rights issue. The main reason why most people cannot afford health care is because of price gouging by the pharmacuetical companies and insurance companies. It really concerns me that we care less about our American brothers and sisters and more about money than any industrialized nation in the world.
During the course of my twenty years in the workforce, I have given thousands of dollars to Social Security. I am entitled to those funds upon my retirement. If the current administration has their way, I will loose that money and be twenty years behind in saving into Bush's new privatized retirement crap, which I feel is just one more way the current administration is selling our country to the highest bidder.
The gap between the rich and the poor continues to expand. This is not due solely to hard work, and until everyone in this country are given the same opportunities to succeed, us liberals will continue to raise hell over "social darwinism". It's this form of capitalism that leads to fascism
I'll agree with you that in many ways, the kind of capitalism that Bush wants heavily favors a selected few. He's really not the defender of the free market that we elected him to be, but he sure beat the alternative.
Nobody is ever denied treatment at a hospital in this country. If healthcare gets taken over by the government, we'll have a titanic monetary expenditure that will cause our taxes to go up again, and ruin our economy just it did in France. France's economy is in ruins, there is no evidence to say that it's getting better, either. Hey, they might not have jobs, but they have "free" medicine!
BND, You are much more intellegent that you're making yourself sound when you say that Bush wants to take your Social Security away. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you don't want to do anything with your money, and you prefer the government's pension plan, then that's what you'll get. You'll get exactly what everybody else gets. The Bush Social Security plan allows people to invest some of it if they choose, which will grow their money like no government pension ever will. Besides, that money is yours. If you die, you can give to your family. Try doing that with your social security checks. The Bush proposal gives YOU control of your money. You don't have to touch it, but if you want to you can. It's a step in the right direction, and it's the only way to make Social Security work for future generations. Ideally, we shouldn't be taxed for social security, because it's a backdoor tax that gets abused on almost every level of government.
But honestly, who told you that you'd lose your money if the Bush plan is put in place? That is the most emotionally driven lobbyist propoganda that I've heard in days. I really had enough faith in people to know better when Washington insiders tell them garbage like that.
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